GameThread: Clemson Tigers @ Wake Forest Demon Deacons -- #BeatTheSpread, #BreakTheStreak
by Martin Rickman on Feb 11, 2012 1:00 PM EST
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PrintClemson Tigers at Wake Forest Demon Deacons, Feb 11, 2012 4:00 PM EST
YOU'RE TELLING ME I CAN WATCH TWO SUB-.500 TEAMS WITH MEDIOCRE OFFENSES AT 4PM ON MY SATURDAY? SIGN ME UP, CAP'N, I'M READY FOR THE SHOWZEN.
Wake has a chance to break a five game losing streak and keep Clemson from winning at the Joel for the first time in about a million years. Wake has lost eight of nine. Clemson has lost six of eight. Not often you get a chance at riveting story lines like that in the ACC. Brownell. Bzdelik. 4PM. FOR ALL THE TEXAS PETE.
Clemson Tigers (11-12, 3-6, KenPom 98) @ Wake Forest Demon Deacons (11-13, 2-8, KenPom 203), Fox Sports (regionally)/ESPN3.com nationally.
Let's get it. #GoDeacs
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The EDSBS posts with the Tiger are some of my favorite posts online. Period.
Followed by:
-The Dugout (any of them with Manny Ramirez jump to the top of the list)
-Archived Fire Joe Morgan stuff
-Rex Grossman Sex Cannon posts on KSK
-Old school Will Leitch rants on Deadspin
-Anything Jon Bois writes, but most notably anything he writes about Edson, Kansas)
-Lots and lots of Key Play, From The Rumble Seat, In The Bleachers, Testudo, BCI, Lookout Landing, Tomahawk Nation, Casual Hoya, Tom Ziller, Blazer’s Edge, Troy Nunes stuff and a million other things I’m forgetting
Amazingly, a lot of those guys are affiliated with or are currently involved in SB Nation, which is what makes me so proud to be a part of this network (amongst other things). We’re in good company, friends.
Anyway, let’s get some predictions going — what’s everyone thinking? I’ve got Clemson winning 64-59.
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Deacs by 7.
Spencer Hall’s prolly not the best sportswriter out there today, given how much of what he writes about isn’t traditional sports journalism, but he might be the best sports blogger (no offense to the BSD crew). While 8-Ball posts are great, they’re by no means my favorite, which just goes to show how entertaining he consistently is.
I’m also a fan of the Fake Dan Beebe twitter account, if you haven’t checked it out.
No offense taken. Spencer is legendary. He's one of the big reasons I started doing this in the first place (way back in...sheesh 2005?).
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by Martin Rickman on Feb 11, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Good old Sporting News blog.
I miss those days. A lot of that crew is over with SBN now, though, anyway.
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by Martin Rickman on Feb 11, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
That was during my ESPN Top 25 Basketball Teams message board phase.
Or possibly just after a mass exodus from that forum to a private forum because the ESPN mods sucked.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
Apparently the Bruins had to go to overtime, thus the delay.
Seriously, I hate hockey.
Wake takes 27 seconds to end with a 14-footer by Ty Walker…knocked out of bounds by Clemson.
Followed by a terrible Nikita 3.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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I don't.
Our offense looks horrendous already again.
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This is already terrible.
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 4:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No FG for Wake in the first 4 minutes of this game.
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Yeah, Ty has gotten at least two calls already.
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We're lucky to be down 3.
We’re playing horrible.
Clemson’s offense just…also is horrible.
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Pretty much.
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
CJ at the point. Tony C on the bench.
Chase in the game.
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Nikita hits a 3, is now 3-24 from beyond the arc in conference play...
0_o
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"Devin Booker goes strong to the hoop..."
… gets knocked down by Nikita who just stands there.
WHAT IN THE HOLY HELL IS GOING ON
I really hope Chase makes a big jump between freshman and sophomore year.
He’s not quick, but when he’s confident he helps this team so much more.
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Clemson's offense can look SO ugly sometimes.
Wow we are getting such favorable calls so far this game. That technical was garbage.
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Also, I remember Vytas Danelius getting called for that exact same thing at one point.
Also, I’ll say it. Chase’s shooting stroke, while extremely smooth, is not textbook. He’s got the chicken wing goin’ on, instead of a more vertical elbow.
I'm not complaining.
A souvenir tshirt just hit me RIGHT in the lap. First time it’s even come close in 6a years. It is an omen.
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 4:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My best friend got a free Pizza Hut pizza coupon from the blimp drop while we were in high school.
We used it five or six times before they thought to take it away.
The officiating is just so terrible.
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The refs are giving Clemson ZERO calls.
Brownell should probably get himself T’d up in this game. The Tigers are getting hosed.
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Good.
I agree, but good.
Key with the circus FT!
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 4:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Figured one of these games we'd need to win 8 on 5.
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Yeaaaaaaaaaaah...
Let’s wait to see if things even out. But definitely calls have been in our favor thus far.
WHERE DO THEY GET THESE TALKING POINTS?
“One of the bright spots for Wake Forest this year has been Carson Desrosiers…”
wait, wut?
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He's progressed nicely.
He’s not Tim Duncan, but he’s a good defensive big guy, he’s not overwhelmed physically like he was last year, and he’s capable of some offense. On the list of comparative bright spots, I’d say he’s behind CJ, Travis, Ty, and maybe tied with Chase.
OH KARL HESS IS DOING THE GAME
That makes more sense.
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lol yup.
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by Martin Rickman on Feb 11, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Flurry of makeup calls.
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 4:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Ugh.
Marty, I’m blaming you.
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 4:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Blame me if you want.
Now it’s terrible on the other end…then they make another couple bad calls for us to make it look good. Just so inconsistent and horrible.
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I TOLD YOU BRO
I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE WACKY TANNER THREES
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 4:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We need a La Femme Nikita photoshop.
Somebody make this happen so that I can save it and post it whenever he does something.
This game isn't enjoyable to watch.
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STOP MAKING HORRIBLE CALLS OFFICIALS
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Discussion question...
Wake’s all-time five looks like so in my opinion
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Randolph Childress
SF: Josh Howard
PF: Rodney Rogers
C: Tim Duncan
Of the other ACC teams with their all-time fives, how many games would we win? Probably not Duke or Carolina (although I think we’d be competitive). The real question would be the other teams like Maryland, Virginia, and NC State.
So we take 30 seconds, don't defend on an easy look by Smith, then on the next possession get a shotclock violation.
Terrific.
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That was a horrible end to the half. No mental toughness at all.
We go 15-15 from the line, and are still down 6.
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Ugh.
The Worst End Of Half.
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 4:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So I thought Clemson was supposed to suck on offense and be awesome on defense?
Seriously, screw you Tanner Smith. He’s been there like 12 years.
RE: Discussion Question
There aren’t as many superstar names that have come from teams like State or Maryland, though there have been some big names. Those teams have often benefited more from superior coaching than amazing players. Even when State won the NCAA, their team wasn’t exactly amazing. Maryland wouldn’t have ever been half as good without Gary Williams. With the number of players who came off the bench over time for Duke or Carolina that would have started for many teams across the nation, I would say that some teams’ all-time 5 would certainly struggle.
Urm...
Maryland’s got Len Bias. State’s got David Thompson.
I agree that their most recent national title teams weren’t overly talented (Maryland ’02 was definitely a product of Gary coaching, and NC State in ’83 was a large fluke). But there is some historical talent there.
What!?
I hate state, but I don’t think you are giving them enough credit here. You say “their team wasn’t exactly amazing”. Do you think the only state team to win a national championship was Jimmy V’s ’83 team? State won the championship in ’74 with one of the greatest college basketball players ever in David Thompson.
lol
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by Martin Rickman on Feb 11, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Maryland's top players were pretty darned good though...
Steve Francis, Steve Blake, John Lucas, Len Elmore, Albert King, Walt Williams…
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Len Bias, Lonnie Baxter, Caner-Medley,
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Juan Dixon, Chris Wilcox...yeah Maryland is up there.
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But I feel like regardless, it's Duke, Carolina, Maryland, State, Wake...then probably everyone else in the ACC wrt best "teams" All-Time
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I guess you beat me there xD
I won’t pretend that I became a faithful ACC fan until around the 04-05 season though. I would still imagine that it would be a tossup between Duke and Carolina in the end, especially if you got a full team of top players rather than 5.
And you can definitely flip Carolina and Duke if you want. I think those two teams play 10 times, Jordan wins six of them by himself, Duke wins the other four.
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"Jump Around" with no Naz-T?!
Truly these are dark days…
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 5:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Carolina's would be...
PG: Phil Ford
SG: Michael Jordan
SF: James Worthy
PF: Tyler Hansbrough
C: Brad Daugherty (?)
Duke
PG: Bobby Hurley
SG: JJ Redick or Jay Williams
SF: Grant Hill or Shane Battier or Danny Ferry
PF: Christian Laetner
C: Mike Gminski
Elton Brand needs to be in there somewhere too...
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by Martin Rickman on Feb 11, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Then there's the question of what to do with Shelden Williams, Luol Deng, Singler, Jeff Mullins and Duhon.
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by Martin Rickman on Feb 11, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
As much as I hate him...
…he was an excellent shooting guard.
And a complete and utter d-bag.
BACK TO THE GAME
Buzz...he's alive!
I saw Bzdelik yell at the guys in the 1st half. It didn’t help anything, but it’s good to see he hasn’t excepted his fate yet.
We're in the Danger Zone now.
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Ty Walker's testicles appear to be in his throat right now.
He just got groined.
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Ty Walker hurt.
Marty, your Tanner Smith love doomed us.
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 5:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I know man, but dammit.
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 5:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This team has quit on Bzdelik.
And now he’s yelling just to yell to try and seem tough.
Can’t wait til he pulls out the “I try and try and just can’t reach these kids” line again with the guys who stayed behind and he didn’t run off.
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Clemson is shooting 68%.
How does this happen? I wouldn’t say we consistently play horrid D…do we?
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 5:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yes, we do.
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by Martin Rickman on Feb 11, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Not ACC, but UNCW shot 72% in the second half against W&M in the game I covered last week.
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by Martin Rickman on Feb 11, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
They were there in the first place?
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
You have to wonder
Whether or not the team has been giving up before reaching the gym. I’ve seen Wake play with enthusiasm and heart a couple of times this year. They are capable of doing more! They just.. don’t.. there is no energy on the team half of the time.
We played hard in the first half.
Tony Chennault is gonna have the worst +/- ever this game. He’s been in for all of their runs and none of ours.
Wake has only played competitive from beginning to end in two of its last 10 games. Maryland loss, and BC win.
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I hate this offense so much.
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 5:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Chris Givens would've caught that too.*
*Offer not valid against Mississippi State.
by quzybuk on Feb 11, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would have caught that
And turned around
And thrown it at the coach.
Post of the day.
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 5:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I cannot wait to read Country's lede after this.
He should just copy and paste from the Virginia lead.
Wonder if this team is still The Imposters?
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I feel so bad for Travis.
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 5:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
and CJ.
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by Martin Rickman on Feb 11, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
22/23 from the stripe.
And losing by 23.
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 5:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
And I honestly don't care if the recruiting class falls apart.
He better be resigning – at the latest – in his post-game presser after we get blown out on ACC Tournament Thursday.
This just sucks so badly.
We’re at home, against a sub-.500 team with less talent, and we’re getting absolutely blasted. Again.
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by Martin Rickman on Feb 11, 2012 5:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We should be playing the Harlem Globetrotters
that way when we lose it’s not as humiliating, and for once it’s good for the kids.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Feb 11, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Clemson is a team trying to learn and get better.
I have no problem with them running their offense and defense. They’re trying to turn close losses into wins. This is valuable experience/time for them.
It’s on us to not get embarrassed on our home floor.
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If Clemson ran it as their normal defense, I'd be okay with it.
But doing it as a surprise out of a dead-ball situation, I am less okay with.
Stay tuned for post-game!
Where seven Wake players declare their intentions to transfer to programs that aren’t soul-crushingly bad!
This will be Wake's first home loss to Clemson since the 1989-1990 season.
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Even though it would doom us.
I’m a fan of relegation in sports leagues. We do not belong in the ACC this year.
Ballad of Bzdelik Time
“It’s pretty much our players’ fault. Culture. I was excited but they weren’t. If only we rebounded better, turned the ball over less, and didn’t get blown out by double-digits at home, we would have won. We’re better than this and know it, we’ll go back and look at the tape. We’re serious now. I mean it. Culture. Next time. Culture. Next time . . .”
Dream scenario.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Feb 11, 2012 5:58 PM EST reply actions
forgot to add
<Ron Wellman storms into the conference room, yanks the mic from Bzdelik, tells him that he’s fired>
Dream scenario.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Feb 11, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
I would honestly be stunned if he didn't blame the players again.
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Fire Jeff Bzdelik.
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 5:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha! That's the funniest thing I've heard this game
From a cannon into the sun
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Feb 11, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Amazing.
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by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 11, 2012 6:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wake has lost nine of its last 10 games by an average of 18.2 points.
The lone win came against BC. It keeps getting worse.
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All my responses will not be in haiku form.
It keeps getting worse?
Is such a thing possible?
Divide by zero.
There is no plausible, reasonable way for Ron Wellman to explain why we don't fire Bzdelik/buy Bzdelik out at this point
What do you have to drink to believe Bzdelik’s excuses after another home blowout, after this game? Grain alcohol?
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Feb 11, 2012 6:14 PM EST reply actions
Lol
The T.O. rationale. A million different reasons. If that’s so RW, the fate of the program is worth more than Bzdelik’s salary and a new good coach’s by several factors.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Feb 11, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree with you
But practicality might dictate otherwise. I haven’t had a good look at the athletic department budget lately.
Online Petition to Fire Bz
What can we do? Online petition. Occupy Winston Salem movement? Sit in. Hunger strike. I am ready for anything. We need a new coach.
$$$$
Cost Benefit analysis. How many empty sits have been in Joel lately? Winning would make up for B’s buyout and a new coach (and AD).
I know Wellman has done a lot for WF
But it’s impossible not to be brought to question his integrity at some serious level if he fails to make a move at this point.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Feb 11, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Football
On a completely different subject, what is the latest on Kevin Souza. Highly recruited and redshirted. What is outlook for spring for Kevin? THanks
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