ACC Basketball Power Rankings (1/23) -- FSU Finds The Top Spot
After another crazy week in the ACC where anything could --and did--happen,I decided to start up my power rankings again. The top teams are largely the same as you would expect (four ACC teams are still in the polls), but much like a bag of Scrabble letters, any combination can come out when you shake it up.
There's a new number one after the jump...
2.) Duke Blue Devils -- Had Duke beaten FSU on Saturday, it'd be firmly entrenched in the top spot. The Blue Devils are still having some rotation problems, Coach K is still tinkering and tinkering and trying to find the right combination of players and minutes, and at this point in the season, it's an okay problem to have. Regardless, the team needs to get more consistency from Austin Rivers, and the Plumlees need to play bigger.
3.) North Carolina Tar Heels -- I still don't see a ton of evidence that UNC can win on the road, but the VT win is a start. Roy's boys are going to have to toughen up a bit more if they hope to be a title contender, both in the ACC and the NCAAT. The Dexter Strickland injury is going to hurt a lot more than people think. If the Heels can get anything out of Stilman White, that would really help their depth.
4.) N.C. State Wolfpack -- The fans are the same. The arena is the same. The roster is largely the same as well, But coaching is different, and that has gone a long way for the Pack. Mark Gottfried has the athletic bunch playing at a high level -- after the loss to Syracuse, the Wolfpack have won nine of their last 10 and given up just 57 points per game.
5.) Virginia Cavaliers -- We learned two things from the Cavs' 47-45 loss to Virginia Tech: a.) Tony Bennett's style of play runs the risk of keeping any team in it (see example two: TCU), and b.) Assane Sene's injury is going to hurt UVA a lot more than initially thought.
6.) Maryland Terrapins -- The Terps are a better team than what they showed against Temple. Alex Len was lost to an ankle injury, but is expected to play Wednesday. Pe'Shon Howard is still pulling it together. Terrell Stoglin is too much a focal point of the offense, and when he struggles, Maryland struggles. Coach Mark Turgeon needs to find a way to get more balance out of his team. I still think the Terrapins are better than the other teams below them in the ACC though.
7.) Clemson Tigers -- Clemson is a tough nut to crack. They can play with anyone defensively, but undergo Boston College-level excruciating offensive stretches as well. Brad Brownell needs more playmakers. Clemson has a chance to get on a bit of a roll, with four very winnable games in its next five and what could be a sloppy affair against UVA on Jan. 31. We'll see what the Tigers are made of soon.
8.) Miami Hurricanes -- Miami, on the other hand, has plenty of playmakers, but can't pull it all together. Malcolm Grant, Durand Scott, Reggie Johnson, Kenny Kadji and Shane Larkin are all ACC-level players, but have not come through with regularity. I don't know if it's Jim Larranaga not getting through to his guys or what, but the 'Canes are largely disappointing with relation to their skill level.
9.) Wake Forest Demon Deacons -- The Deacs have more ACC wins than they had all of last year. That's nice. One was against an anemic Virginia Tech squad in Winston-Salem; the other against a 263rd KenPom-rated Boston College team in Boston. Kudos to Jeff Bzdelik for his first ACC road win, but Wake has to show me something before I'm going to move them up any higher. CJ Harris and Travis McKie aside, this team doesn't play together enough or hard enough for long stretches at a time.
10.) Virginia Tech Hokies -- Yay, the Hokies got their first win. It may have set basketball back 50 years, but they did it! Seth Greenberg isn't going anywhere anytime soon, I've been told, but the team needs to turn it around, and fast. And that starts with getting more production out of a talented freshman class, and better desire and hustle from guys like Dorenzo Hudson.
11.) Boston College Eagles -- Someday, we're all going to look back on this Boston College team and wonder how in the living hell it was able to win two of its first three ACC games.
12.) Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets -- Poor Brian Gregory. He has a team built for Paul Hewitt that loves jacking it up and playing no defense, and speaking of setting basketball back, the first ten minutes of the GT-Clemson game were enough to cause a literal blackout on the Clemson campus. The game was so bad it literally stopped. Somehow, someway, the Jackets beat N.C. State for their lone ACC win. I don't understand it either. The ACC: who knows?
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Good rankings...
Can’t argue with FSU at #1 for now, but I think it will balance out. I don’t expect them to lay an egg in Winston, but unless if their offense can become more consistent, they will lose some games they shouldn’t.
I’d put BC at last place. I know that they have 2 ACC wins, but GT is better than them imo. In the event of the tie, the GT win on the road against State is much better than either win that BC had at home.
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I agree that Tech is playing bad, but no way should they be last…a total different team showed up vs duke and ncsu…in those two, gt would have beaten most of the teams in the conference…if CBG gets them to play that way consistently, late regular season and the ACC tournament could be interesting. That largely depends on shooting though…the defense is generally there.
by GTJOSH on Jan 23, 2012 5:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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I know this is way off-topic, But can you Private Message on here.
Can not find it anywhere.
Also, What is a helpful post i can make?
I love talking sports.
My goal is to have 1 on homepage.
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Keep plugging away at FanShots. Make them well-written in both grammar and spelling. Use statistics and analysis. If it deserves to be promoted to the main page, it will make it there.
Bah da da da da da da da, Go Deacs.
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Fun factoids with Ken Pomeroy
The ACC teams, by national rank:
8) North Carolina (18th offensive, 9th defensive)
14) Duke (3rd, 89th)
16) Virginia (96th, 4th)
21) Florida State (91st, 5th)
48) Virginia Tech (65th, 49th)
54) N.C. State (39th, 101st)
76) Miami (50th, 137th)
106) Clemson (171st, 56th)
139) Georgia Tech (196th, 93rd)
159) Maryland (111th, 226th)
188) Wake Forest (207th, 164th)
263) Boston College (290th, 184th)
Some observations:
- The best team in the ACC is… Carolina?!? And Carolina’s better defensively than offensively?!? Honestly, while I think the loss of Dexter Strickland will hurt them defensively, it should open things up offensively with Reggie Bullock (I’m less sold on Stilman White).
- It should also be noted that Carolina is the only team with the offense/defense balance of the typical Final Four team.
- Duke has the classic “high seed flameout” profile: elite offense, middling defense. Of the 2 seeds that have lost in the second round in recent memory, most have had that profile, including Notre Dame last year (and us in 2005).
- FSU and Virginia are pretty much identical. Obviously FSU is playing better of late, and that burst has really come on the offensive end. If they continue to play at such a high level, they have a good chance of surging into the top 15 or so.
- The bottom of the ACC: woof. I can’t remember the bottom half ever being this bad. Pre-expansion, the ACC usually had one or two teams lingering around in the low 100’s, with an occasional team dropping to the 130’s. Now? Yikes.
- With that being said, it sure seems like the middle teams are a lot more vulnerable than the lower teams’ rankings would indicate. I think we’ll see the middle four drift backwards as the season progresses, with the possible exception of Virginia Tech, who has possibly gotten all their slip-ups out of the way early.
- Wake is rated the 7th luckiest team in the country, based on our expected performance compared to actual performance (i.e., we win close games). Maryland is 3rd.
I think Martin’s rankings are probably closer to the true rankings, as these results don’t weigh recent play as highly (so FSU is lower and VT is higher). Good job Martin!
by quzybuk on Jan 23, 2012 7:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The problem with UNC
is that they are just soft as Charmin. As soon as a team hits them in the mouth the go curl up in a ball (see the VT game). They took a punch from VPI and then punched back and came back to win the game. If they play like they know how instead of waltzing in and expecting to win every game then they would be a much better team.
Also, the Strickland loss is a huge blow now because of the aforementioned Stilman White stepping into the backup PG role. I think Bullock will step up here with him out, but LOL @ White being a backup PG at a “national title contender”.
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Thanks for taking the time to put that stuff together quzy.
Bah da da da da da da da, Go Deacs.
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Yeah that's good stuff.
I think we should at least be able to get 2/3 against Clemson/GT/BC here, and maybe even steal one on the road against one of them. At worst I think we should go 2-4 against them, and that would put us at 4 wins assuming we don’t steal another one the rest of the year.
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I still think Duke and UNC belong above FSU.
Mainly because they lost to FSU (#1 above) and FSU lost to Clemson (#7)
I'm not a fan of this logic.
According to it, LSU should be the national champion in football because its loss was to the #1 team, whereas Alabama’s only loss was to the #2 team.
I’m a much bigger fan of the NCAA’s (and I can’t believe I’m agreeing with them on something) policy of “who you beat, where you beat ’em, and when you beat ’em.”
I would agree with putting Duke or UNC above Florida State based on body of work (UNC, Duke, and FSU each have one blowout loss, but FSU also has a loss to Princeton; FSU has head-to-head wins but overall lacks the depth of quality victories that the other two have), and would even be comfortable promoting FSU based on recent play. But I do not like the loss formulation for separating teams, as elite teams rarely lose, and thus you minimize applicable data points (which as any statistician will tell you leads to a greater likelihood of erroneous results).
P.S. I love the argument in my first paragraph. It’s borderline diabolical in its simplicity, particularly given how Alabama fans’ justification for their selection by the BCS was that they had a superior loss to Oklahoma State.
I can come up with lots more excuses.
I just don’t want them #1.
by Michael Rogner on Jan 25, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
So if LSU played it close in the 2nd the game and lost they'd still have the 'right' for a claim?
Cos the problem I had with LSU is that they didn’t play to win EITHER game. Yes their other wins were impressive but when it mattered most they come up completely flat. It’s not Bama’s fault their schedule sucked. Playing @ UF @PSU @Auburn should be a hard, schedule boosting games. This year it wasn’t the case.
What if you flipped the the November game where Alabama looks ugly and wins? Surely LSU plays in the NC again cos their game was on the road to the #2 team.
Seriously Turtle, Smoke More Weed
by Mannieblunts on Jan 26, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
From the game I watched tonight…I stand corrected…I feel sick.
by GTJOSH on Jan 24, 2012 11:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Take solace...
You have two games against us (a likely split methinks) and against BC (at worst a split, but a likely sweep). BC is like seven kinds of turribul.

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