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And does Coach Bzdelik Coach Up-Tempo, or Slow-&-Clunky? KenPom Knows!

All after the jump.

It took a while, so if you disagree please don't just accuse me of being some kind of fifth column. Many people who used to comment here at BSD such as DaDeacs & Grand Tanyon Sturtze, and provided valuable evidence and discussion are now gone because of such accusations & inconsistent treatment by MRickman & RA that still haven't been answered or accounted for. This question remains for RA or MRickman to answer:

Since when does someone like GTS get a threat-to-ban for calling RA "kid" but OldDeac can call all of us "spewers of stat. swill" and Josh can say those things [insults documented in that thread], & neither of them are threatened with a ban?

Anyway, don't drive me off too, and the people you already drove off like Grand Tanyon Sturtze and DaDeacs & the few that tenuously remain despite the inconsistent treatment both deserve a direct, specific response that's accountable for the glaring discrepancy in conduct regulation that goes on here. With that request for an answer and disclaiming caveat, does Coach Bzdelik coach up-tempo as RA said? Or does he coach a slow-&-ponderous style of offense?

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It seems to me that unless one holds up the coach's haphazard attempt to play at an up-tempo pace in his first year at Wake as an irrebuttable trump, the KenPom evidence unequivocally indicates that Bz's capacity is strictly limited to coaching a slow-&-clunky, rather than an up-tempo, style of basketball.

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Because here's what I've got:

In 2005, Air Force ranked dead last (9th out of 9 teams) in the Mountain West in Adj. Temp.

In 2006, Air Force ranked dead last in the MWC in Adj. Temp.

In 2007, Air Force ranked dead last in the MWC in Adj. Temp.

In 2007, Colorado ranked 2nd in the Big 12 in Adj. Tempo.

Pause: There's a probable reason for this outlier when you compare it to the rest of Bzdelik's stops & account for Adj. Tempo. Under Ricardo Patton (the head coach that preceded Bz at Colorado) in 2006, Colorado ranked first in the Big 12 in Adj. Tempo. Under Patton in 2005, Colorado ranked first in the Big 12 in Adj. Tempo. Under Patton in 2004, Colorado ranked third in the Big 12 in Adj. Tempo. Under Patton in 2003, Colorado ranked third in the Big 12 in Adj. Tempo. So I think it's pretty safe to say since KenPom accounts for Adj. Tempo. in sometimes disjunctive half-cycles (in the first half of the calendar-year 2007 Colorado was following Ricardo Patton's style, while in the second half of the calendar-year 2007 Colorado was following Jeff Bzdelik's style), that it's plausible to very likely that a significant factor for the 2007 outlier is that for approximately half of 2007 Colorado played under a different coach who habitually played at a fast-pace that had Colorado first in Adj. Tempo in for the prior two years, and third in Adj. Tempo for the two years prior to those. Unpause.

In 2008, Colorado ranked dead last in the Big 12 in Adj. Temp.

In 2009, Colorado ranked dead last in the Big 12 in Adj. Temp.

In 2010, Colorado ranked 7th in the Big 12 (7th out of 12 teams) in Adj.Temp.

So literally every team that Bzdelik coached prior to being handed the Wake job, except for one KenPom year (2007) that was half Ricardo Patton's, and the KenPom year 2010 when Colorado was ranked 7th, finished dead-last in Adj. Tempo.

I think these are pretty glaring cites that demonstrate that Bzdelik naturally plays at a slow tempo, and that when he came to Wake, he pressed because his reputation preceded him that his offenses were slow & clunky (Princeton-y), and when everyone started writing that, he started saying really bemused, psychologically compensatory things like this (direct link here):


Bzdelik, said he will mold his offensive and defensive schemes around the talent on hand. In his past two head-coaching positions, at Air Force and Colorado, he used a modified form of the Princeton offense, which has traditionally been employed by teams seeking to overcome a deficiency in talent and ability.

"Princeton is in New Jersey," Bzdelik said yesterday. "We're in North Carolina."

Bzdelik was clearly sensitive to the connotation.

"Everybody talks about the Princeton offense," Bzdelik said. "I've been coaching a long time. I'll take the talent I have and adjust it to what we need to do.

"I don't know where people get all this stuff, like, ‘What are you going to do, hold the ball?' No we're not going to hold the ball."

"Are we going to pass the ball to one another?" Bzdelik asked, rhetorically. "Well, yeah. You know what? Everybody passes it.


This is where, like when relativity breaks down into the quantum world, we don't have KenPom to rely on and have to start using analytical skills to parse out what could be causality. The most plausible, rational explanation for Wake's uptick in Adj. Tempo this year that contrasts so wholly with Bzdelik's entire KenPom record, is that he indeed wanted to prove to people that he was wired to coach more than teams that had to compensate for unathletic, poorly rated recruits by playing at extremely slow tempos and that he was capable of coaching athletic, highly rated recruits.

But I think he encountered two problems: One, he has never been able to coach defense at the college level, ever. Two, he has no experience coaching athletic, highly rated recruits (because he has never been able to recruit them and usually settles for lesser ones), so whatever he thought he could do, he indeed pressed, got his team (us, Wake Forest) to uptick its Adj. Tempo, and achieved a dramatic reversal in his KenPom history, but at what cost?

I think it further reinforces that he's not prepared to coach at this level, to coach highly rated, athletic, fast recruits in the Atlantic Coast Conference. That is, unless we want someone who's going to learn on the job while younger (by over 10 years), more successful coaches like Steve Donahue, Tony Bennett, Brian Gregory, and Brad Brownell "do work" rather than learn it. I'm just not prepared to endure this kind of learning curve.

I don't think Wake Forest has the luxury of time to wait on someone who's 10 years older than these younger, more successful counterparts to catch up with them while they're already "there" (in terms of track [they can adapt to ACC competitive imperatives like generating the right balance of quick style and/or teach players like ... how to play defense better than Bzdelik was able to with any of his teams that had his own recruits] & recruiting records) and moving on every year Bzdelik is trying to catch up.

He's too old, his KenPom history shows that he's pressing, and he's never had to recruit well because - well, the only time his team won was with a previous AFA coach's recruits. Like a piece I recently put up (that was eerily accurate about many peoples' ambivalent and/or negative stance towards the quality of recruits that Bzdelik was seeking out compared to our ACC counterparts) said (direct link here):


What has happened at Air Force since Bzdelik’s departure? The Falcons have lost 31 of their past 32 regular-season conference games, and there are plenty of villains to be found in the wreckage.

Bzdelik resides near the top of the list. He inherited five players — Nick Welch, Dan Nwaelele, Antoine Hood, Jacob Burtschi and Tim Anderson — who had been or would be first- or second-team all-MWC.

In his two seasons at the academy, Bzdelik didn’t recruit one player who approaches that quintet in talent.

“Jeff Bzdelik didn’t do a lot of personal recruiting,” AFA athletic director Hans Mueh told me last year. “He just didn’t. I don’t know what to make of that. It just is.”


So in sum, unless we're prepared to endure a coach who's older than his new rivals by over a decade, has alienated much of the fan base, has never recruited very well, and is pressing unsuccessfully to compensate for his KenPom pace rating inadequacy, I don't think it's worth keeping him & hope we move on for both our sakes.

I'd like to hear how the coach's offense is up-tempo? And/or how this coach would work out accounting for the obvious KenPom learning curve he's going to have to adapt to at a much older age than his counterparts, in order to get to where they are already at right now & moving on from?

Or just nice comments. It's a really frustrating fact that many of us have done alot of hard research and brought to light innovative analytical points that hadn't been discussed or covered, and the lot of us who provide so many separate, distinct, and discrete histories, metrics, and analytics have been threatened with being banned for calling an admin. "kid" while commenters who call us "spewers of stat. swill" and garner conduct-related complaints from 4 people in a single thread never receive threats-to-ban, or warnings to our knowledge. Nice comments or warrants plus evidence please. I hope this enlightened us closer to a conclusion. Musings and thoughts?

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He said his coaching style fits the makeup of the team

People were concerned that he was going to implement a Princeton-style offense here and he articulated that he ran it in the past because the personnel allowed it. So far he’s stood by what he said, we’ll need a larger sample size to see if the new model regresses to his mean or if he is adapting to a different set of players.

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by BJohnston on Apr 2, 2011 6:59 AM EDT reply actions  

The funny thing is...

We would have probably been better off milking the shot clock as long as possible. This is obviously difficult when you turn the ball over as much as we did. However; if your team can’t rebound or get many stops, yet shoots a comparatively high, at least regards to how poor we were at everything else, percentage from the floor, slowing the game down is probably your best option. It decreases the other team’s opportunity to get the ball, it lowers possessions, and it will more than likely lower the score of the game, giving overmatched teams a better chance of staying close.

Obviously we weren’t going to win too many games last year period, but I do find it somewhat funny that this year’s team seemed suited for a slower-paced offense and Bzdelik chose to go away from what he had previously taught as SD’s post shows.

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by BJohnston on Apr 2, 2011 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

He said MORE than his coaching style fits the team
Bzdelik rejected the identification of his offense as a “Princeton” system devoted entirely to backdoor cuts and 3-point shots and said he wants his team to attack the rim quickly in transition

(direct link here)

Bzdelik: “Our style of play will be something our fans really enjoy, we’re going to play defense, team basketball, and get out and go”

Bzdelik: “It’s going to be a very exciting team, a team that’s fast”

Port Arthur, TX

by Screamin' Demons on Apr 2, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

interesting quote — even though again I was figuratively killed for it in the other post (as predicted) it would be great if he does this.

This year and the next will show what he intends to do. I am willing to give him a chance before I bury him (figuratively) but I have not seen much in his past (thanks, Screamin’) that shows that he can do anything but finish in the middle of the conference.

And I was a little taken aback by the harshness of the responses that I got from the moderators here, especially after a post asking for civility in the comments section.

by DingoDeac on Apr 2, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

fair enough — and to be clear, I really don’t know what Bzzz wants to do and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt (at least logically, I think that). A couple more years should tell us everything we should need to know

by DingoDeac on Apr 2, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Also, I don’t think that he has done a good job so far coaching. I do think it is hard to tell how much of this year is on him because of all of the moving parts.

Time will tell on the recruiting side of things, and it will also tell in terms of the offense that we run. I just think that jumping to conclusions is a bit premature now before he gets a fair chance to establish what he can at Wake Forest.

Wake Forest '12

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by RAJohnston on Apr 2, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bzdelik has never run an offensive set that's finished higher than 7th out of 12 teams

and finished last in Adj. Temp. for 5 other seasons.

People just don’t up and suddenly know how to run a fast paced offense when they’ve run the very slowest offenses in two different conferences for the past 5+ years.

I just don’t see any way around Bz = steep learning curve in relation to him running a high Adj. Temp./high pace rating offense. Without avoiding saying that in not such up-front language (eg instead saying “well he could take time” instead of saying there is or is not a probable learning curve that he has to pass before we can run a high Adj. Tempo/high pace rating offense), how do you see a way around Bz = steep learning curve in relation to him running such an offense?

Port Arthur, TX

by Screamin' Demons on Apr 2, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't you just post this on another article?

I will respond the same way…Wake finished 4th in ADJ tempo in the ACC. I tend to look at what he is doing at Wake now as more indicative to the future than what he did at Colorado.

Wake Forest '12

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by RAJohnston on Apr 2, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes i did.. the topic is Adj. Tempo & Pace...

Because the post is about Adj. Tempo and all you said was that you didn’t think he did a great job coaching, but that time will tell with coaching and recruiting. I am redirecting the conversation back towards the topic of the thread: Adj. Tempo and whether he’s learning on the job.

That being said here’s my point so we can stay on-topic:

Prior to 2010-2011: He never coached an offense that finished higher than 7th out of 12 in Adj. Tempo, and coached offenses that finished last in their conference in pace rating 4 times.

2010-2011: He coached for the first time in his career an offense that finished higher than 7 of 12 in Adj. Tempo, and only for the second time in his career coached an offense that didn’t finish last in pace rating. The result of which was 8-24/1-15

Conclusion: He has never coached a fast Adj. Tempo offense before in his career, and he is learning on the job.

Port Arthur, TX

by Screamin' Demons on Apr 2, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

What. Nothing?

Like I queried you elsewhere:

I know there will be abundant excuses for a record-setting season for horrificness and no one will get anywhere – on this site at least – trying to parse out why Wake Forest went 1-15 in the ACC/8-24 overall. So let’s stay on-topic..

The issue raised is "does the coach have a steep learning curve to climb?"

You have a coach that has run Adj. Tempo offenses that have ranked last for 5 seasons, and 7th one season. Suddenly he’s going to try to run an Adj. Tempo offense that is the complete opposite of what he’s never run before in his career. Does he face a steep learning curve?

Port Arthur, TX

by Screamin' Demons on Apr 3, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

and as a corollary

cheaply bootstrapping on the 2010-2011 season as an example of “look he has experience NOW” doesn’t count because saying that Bzdelik has experience in running an offense with a fast Adj. Tempo NOW just reinforces that he’s learning on the job – that he’s learning HOW to run an offense with a fast Adj. Tempo WHILE AT Wake Forest.

That’s implicitly conceding that he faces a steep learning curve. Just trying to clear the convo. of booSo what in his history or experience (Restatement)

Prior to 2010-2011: He never coached an offense that finished higher than 7th out of 12 in Adj. Tempo, and coached offenses that finished last in their conference in pace rating 4 times.

2010-2011: He coached for the first time in his career an offense that finished higher than 7 of 12 in Adj. Tempo, and only for the second time in his career coached an offense that didn’t finish last in pace rating. The result of which was 8-24/1-15

Conclusion: He has never coached a fast Adj. Tempo offense before in his career, and he is learning on the job.

Makes you think he does not face a steep learning curve?

Port Arthur, TX

by Screamin' Demons on Apr 3, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would argue that we didn't have the personnel to do any of this.

I don’t think we had the personnel to do much of anything this year to be honest. Bzdelik didn’t do a very good job as far as I could tell of cultivating or improving things much, but I don’t think we were going to be successful this season regardless of who was the coach.

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by BJohnston on Apr 2, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and what would you say about whether he has the experience to do any of this?

Because based on his resume, before 2010-2011 he’s never coached at this pace/level of Adj. Tempo.

Port Arthur, TX

by Screamin' Demons on Apr 2, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would say that good coaches adapt and try new styles with different personnel if they think things aren't going to work

Not saying Bzz is a good coach, but this would be my response.

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by BJohnston on Apr 3, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

This piece was inspired by someone who said
Jeff Bzdelik does not play slow he plays a very up-tempo style of basketball.

It would be interesting to see, unless one holds as an absolute trump the “forced fast” project last year we paid dearly for, warrants plus evidence that Bzdelik plays an up-tempo style of basketball.

Port Arthur, TX

by Screamin' Demons on Apr 2, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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