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N.C. State vs. Wake Forest Game Preview

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N.C State Wolfpack (12-11, 2-7) (0-7 Road)

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Wake Forest Demon Deacons (8-16, 1-8) (7-8 Home)

TV: ACC Network (Formerly Raycom)

Both teams are in a free fall right now. The loser of this game could easily get last place in the conference. It is hard to say which team has had the more disappointing year up to this point given the expectations of each fan base. It is safe to say that if Sidney Lowe loses this game, he will more than likely see his contract terminated (if it hasn't been already). Let's get us one Deacs!!!

Click through the jump for NCSU team and individual stats, plus predictions from around the web and myself.

 

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CategoryOffenseDefenseD-I Avg
Adj. Efficiency: 107.0 80 100.0 140 101.3
Adj. Tempo: 67.8 133 67.2
Four Factors
Effective FG%: 47.9 222 46.3 66 49.1
Turnover %: 18.4 63 16.8 324 20.4
Off. Reb. %: 36.0 55 35.7 287 32.4
FTA/FGA: 37.9 173 32.5 74 37.9
Miscellaneous Components
3P%: 33.2 223 32.2 75 34.5
2P%: 47.4 200 45.4 85 47.8
FT%: 69.8 143 71.4 287 68.9
Block%: 9.5 209 10.6 94 9.2
Steal%: 9.2 156 8.8 216 9.5

N.C State has struggled tremendously getting shots to fall this year, yet they rank 80th in the nation in adj. efficiency, at 1.07 ppp. That is extremely difficult to do, and is actually a testament to their offensive rebounding and ability to hold on to the ball, which is represented in the chart above as well. They protect the ball well, but don't get a lot of steals. They also rebound well offensively, but do not rebound well defensively. I haven't seen enough of State this year to know if it is related more to the philosophy of the team, or if they are just inconsistent (as young teams are). I would garner that it is a little bit of both.

The Pack are shooting just 33.2% from 3-pointers, and 47% from inside the arc. No successful team is ever going to shoot the ball that poorly. They are in the middle of the table in steal and block %, both offensively and defensively.

From John Gasaway

Through games of February 7, conference games only
Pace: possessions per 40 minutes
PPP: points per possession Opp. PPP: opponent PPP
EM: efficiency margin (PPP - Opp. PPP)

                      W-L   Pace    PPP   Opp. PPP    EM
1.  Duke              8-1   68.9    1.12    0.92    +0.20
2.  North Carolina    7-1   71.1    1.08    0.95    +0.13
3.  Clemson           5-4   64.5    1.05    0.97    +0.08
4.  Virginia Tech     5-4   64.7    1.06    0.98    +0.08
5.  Maryland          5-4   69.4    1.03    0.98    +0.05
6.  Florida St.       6-3   68.6    0.98    0.95    +0.03
7.  Georgia Tech      3-6   68.8    0.97    0.96    +0.01
8.  Miami             3-6   63.6    1.03    1.07    -0.04
9.  Boston College    5-4   64.8    1.08    1.14    -0.06
10. Virginia          3-6   61.3    0.97    1.05    -0.08
11. NC State          2-7   67.7    1.00    1.13    -0.13
12. Wake Forest       1-7   70.5    0.88    1.17    -0.29

 

 

GAME STATISTICS
Player GP MIN PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Tracy Smith 13 27.2 13.8 5.5 1.0 0.4 0.7 1.9 .483 .667 .000
C.J. Leslie 22 23.8 10.7 7.3 0.8 0.8 1.5 2.0 .443 .545 .200
Ryan Harrow 21 23.2 10.5 1.5 3.4 0.8 0.1 1.6 .402 .937 .220
Scott Wood 23 31.9 9.9 3.0 1.7 0.8 0.5 0.9 .418 .903 .425
Lorenzo Brown 23 28.2 9.7 3.8 3.4 1.3 0.3 2.3 .427 .746 .300
Richard Howell 23 19.1 8.0 6.6 0.9 0.9 0.4 1.0 .525 .614 .333
DeShawn Painter 23 16.0 5.0 3.8 0.3 0.1 0.7 0.9 .464 .632 .000
Javier Gonzalez 23 19.8 4.7 1.7 2.3 0.7 0.0 1.3 .333 .806 .296
C.J. Williams 23 17.8 4.7 2.4 1.1 0.4 0.2 1.0 .474 .722 .200
Jordan Vandenberg 16 9.3 1.3 1.7 0.3 0.1 0.7 0.4 .571 .556 .000
Kendall Smith 9 1.6 1.1 0.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.1 .500 1.000 .000
Enrico Kufuor 6 1.2 0.3 0.3 0.0 0.2 0.0 0.3 .500 .000 .000
Jay Lewis 7 1.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.1 .000 .000 .000
Ben Amos 2 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 .000 .000 .000
Totals 23 -- 71 38 14 6 5 13 .441 .698 .332

 

  • Tracy Smith has been very consistent in his play. He was forced to leave the Duke game early with an injury, but it wasn't that critical as the Devils romped the Pack. Smith showed his dominance in the game against us in Raleigh. Sidney Lowe will certainly look to exploit that weakness against us again. It will be a good determination of how Coach Bzdelik can adjust to things like this now that he is seeing these teams for the second time this season. If Smith can dominate us like Reggie Johnson did then we are in trouble. I think we need to play Carson as the primary defender some, and then have Ty at the 5 to provide the weak side help.
  • CJ Leslie was suspended for the Duke game for an infraction of team rules, but has been cleared to play against us by Coach Lowe. From what I have heard, Leslie has been coming along nicely on the court, but has some off the court issues that he needs to take care of, particularly maturity. State needs him if they are going to make any run at all for the NCAA Tournament, which is highly unlikely as of right now
  • Ryan Harrow and Lorenzo Brown have provided very similar numbers, and have proven to be good role players their freshman year in Raleigh. If they both stay and continue to develop then watch out for State in the future.
  • And as always, the sharpshooter that Wake needs to look out for at all times is Scott Wood, who is hitting on nearly 43% of his 3-pointers. He can certainly be a big-time game changer on Sunday if given the chance.
Predictions

KenPom- NCSU-79 Wake-72 (73%)

Vegas- Will update as game gets closer

My Prediction- Wake-76 State-75

My stats are telling me State 75-73, but I'm going to give the nod to Wake in this pillow fight. We saw significant improvement against Miami on Wednesday night. It was a heart-breaking loss, and I think that the guys really got out there and put in work in practice. Both teams are on free-falls, but I feel like we have a silver lining to look at in terms of getting better and improving, while State is feeling sorry for themselves for the year that they have had so far.

I think that Coach Bzdelik coaches these guys up, particularly inside and we get one at the Joel. JT Terrell is really coming in to his own, and I expect a big night from him (not necessarily numbers-wise, I mean doing all the little things that we need to do to win). I am also going to go out on a limb and say that Carson and Ty have a good showing against Tracy Smith. If we can get good games out of these three guys, and CJ continues what he has been doing since Tony Chennault got back, I think we are in business.

Go Deacs!

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Tracy Smith

If we have Desrosiers or Walker guard him one on one again, he is going to have another big game. NC State does not shoot the 3 well, we need to double down on him and give help to the bigs.

by JoshuaR on Feb 12, 2011 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed...

That’s why I think getting them both on the court at the same time wouldn’t be a bad idea for 10-15 minutes of the game.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Tony/CJ, Gary/JTT, Travis/Ari, Carson, Ty for some stretches.

Wake Forest '12

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by RAJohnston on Feb 12, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting idea.

I would like to see us try that as well.

by willisb_rad2 on Feb 12, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I am sooo going to be there!!

Hope we can win this one especially!

jfizzle86... Go DEACS!!

by jfizzle86 on Feb 12, 2011 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

I'll be there too, jfizzle.

And agreed. I hope more of the students show up for this one. Last game was friggin’ pathetic as far as that.

by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 12, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Welp, I was a little off with my prediction.

Just looked like the Deacs didn’t come to play today. I thought we would have come out much more fired up. The inconsistency of this team is just killing us. Add that to the fact that we are REALLY bad and you get the result that we got today. Frustrating to say the least.

Wake Forest '12

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by RAJohnston on Feb 13, 2011 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

Well guys....

SHOCKINGLY bad performance. I am the first guy to defend this team, but that was genuinely one of the worst performances I’ve seen. I don’t know what’s wrong here, but this is getting old.

by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 13, 2011 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

I agree.

Just awful all around.

Wake Forest '12

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by RAJohnston on Feb 13, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree.

But I’m throwing my hands up right now. I’m guessing all the anti-Bzdelik crew feel vindicated at this point, and I’m throwing my hands up. I still say give him one more year, but gents, not only do I not have the energy to debate anymore, I also don’t even know how much I believe.

by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 13, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

One game doesn't change anything at all in my opinion.

We had a bad game. We came out slow and State dominated us inside.

With the exception of one or two players, the guys are buying into coach’s system. There were not a lot of positives today, and it was a frustrating game for sure, but I am still optimistic about the future.

We are a very bad team and it is going to take time to improve. I guess it’s kind of like that two steps forward and one step back. Let’s just regather ourselves and try to come out and not get blown out in Chapel Hill.

Wake Forest '12

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by RAJohnston on Feb 13, 2011 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with you.

We played really badly, but I’m still looking towards the future.

Hopefully the guys have a much better showing against UNC on tuesday.

by willisb_rad2 on Feb 13, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

'a' bad game?

This comes off as if the performance against Miami was the rule rather than the exception. Another 25 point loss, to the next worst ACC team no less.

Sure some personnel are better in certain games than others, but there’s no consistent improvement as the season’s regressed. A 25 point loss to NC St. is not acceptable.

If THIS isn’t objective proof that Coach Jeff Bzdelik didn’t competently adapt and adjust throughout the course of the season, I don’t know what is.

Port Arthur, TX

by Screamin' Demons on Feb 13, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I mean, considering I was defending Bzdelik HARD until recently it pains me to say...

I pretty much agree. This game was absolutely unquestionably 100% the opposite of okay. Sure CJ Leslie’s an athetic freak inside and Smith is probably an all-ACC performer, but mismatches happen. If the coach can’t adjust to that, it’s on the coaches AS WELL AS the players.

Honestly the first half was not that bad at all. The second half was utterly horrendous.

by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 13, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I am not trying to provide excuses at all, because the game was completely inexcusable...

but we were outmanned from inside from the start, and we really missed Ty’s presence in the 2nd half (illness). Carson is going to get much better once he gets bigger and stronger. Travis had his usual good game (although his touch inside left a lot to be desired). Until we get a big man that can bang with the conference’s best inside guys we are not going to succeed.

It is on Coach Bzdelik for not having his team ready to play today, but I don’t know what he could have done to try to negate Tracy Smith and CJ Leslie. State is the 2nd worst team in the conference (they did not play very well today at all), and still beat us by 25. We just aren’t very good, we are very young,and we are wildly inconsistent, which is going to lead to getting blown out until we fix the deficiencies at hand.

Wake Forest '12

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by RAJohnston on Feb 13, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed Screamin'

NC State not only scored the most points since defeating Wake Forest 90-69 at the RBC Center in January, the Wolfpack piled up the school’s third-largest margin in an ACC road game since the league opened for business. The other two blowouts on that list — 40 points at Clemson and 29 points at South Carolina — both occurred in the inaugural 1953-54 season, long before either school pretended to operate an authentic basketball program.

by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Feb 14, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Well men...

Let me start by saying… being a fan, you can’t ask for a better venue or atmosphere for a basketball game. Being at The Joel really made me believe again and showed me why I have such an un-dying love for this team.

On that note… I do not go to Wake Forest, I go to Campbell University and grew up in Asheboro, NC. However, as a student, I understand the dedication it takes to fill a student’s section and be a force to elevate the team. I will say that as a section, the Wake students do an absolutely top-notch job of being heard and intelligent fans. My question is this… Where was everyone? I understand we are on a slide right now, and despite why that is, these players deserve the support of their peers. I would sell just about any organ necessary to go to Wake and wouldn’t miss a game for anything shy of death or serious injury. I can only be there in spirit for them (unless I stumble on free tickets… Gotta love a college-kid budget), and would love to know that you guys are there for me to yell, scream, chant, and do whatever it takes to spark the team when things get tough.

As far as on the court, the first half I felt we played well other than on the boards. Carson’s extended minutes looked good and with some bulk he is really going to flourish around the goal. Tony is a beast, but he plays so fast that he over-runs his own dribble sometimes and gets caught making un-forced mistakes way too much. I really hoped for more JTT the whole way, but liked the cooler-head he had even when things got a little physical. He can can flat-out score and will continue to grow I feel sure. The improvement being preached is there… on an individual basis. I saw a young group of guys that just can’t find the one person to follow. If there is one thing I think the players are at fault for, it is the lack of leaders. There are no chiefs and way too many indians. Late in the game when we get flat-footed and seemed dejected, no one man stepped up and got vocal (miss you L.D.). The coaches should see this too and make sure they get these guys fired up to the point they focus on the task at hand until the guys find their own leaders.

I will get of the Buzz-kill bandwagon after today. Personally, I don’t care for his Sendek-like style, but that in no way makes him a bad coach. We all have opinions and which ever side you may take is just fine, but in my heart I can’t think of another school where fans are as kind to one another and the buildings feel like a family gathering. I can’t justify my love for this type of fan-base if I constantly bash one of our own, so I plan to cool it off on the angry, fire Bzdelik rants.

If we never win another game, it sure will be fun being a fan with you gentlemen. As always go deacs!! Keep playing hard, and getting better. It’ll all work out!

jfizzle86... Go DEACS!!

by jfizzle86 on Feb 14, 2011 12:12 AM EST reply actions  

Where are they?

I guess when your Athletic Director makes a bizarre left field move – getting rid of a coach, who, at 90% of division 1 programs would be seen as highly successful – to install a guy who can’t even beat the second worst ACC team at home- well then you alienate your fan base and maybe they feel no reason to show up for a game.

Just a thought.

by Jeremy Bishop on Feb 14, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If we never win another game, it sure will be fun being a fan with you gentlemen.

We love having you fizz. Glad you’ve been a contributor.

Bah da da da da da da da, Go Deacs.

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by Martin Rickman on Feb 14, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Really good post man. Glad to have you on our site.

The family-oriented nature of Wake Forest is really what makes us so unique. We may disagree with each other on here, but we all want to see Wake Forest succeed in every way possible. There are just differing viewpoints on how we need to make that happen. None are really right or wrong, and Ron Wellman is really the only one making the decisions (with help of course from his “cabinet”/AD).

I get very emotional during games and I have said things on here, and at the Joel that I probably should not have said. That is why I have tried to take a step back and not live and die with each play/game. Today was actually a very enjoyable day for me despite Wake losing by 25 points. A year ago I don’t think that would have been possible. Bottom line is—these are sports and not a matter of life or death. There is no sense in getting worked up over things that we cannot control.

Jeff Bzdelik will come and go. Ron Wellman will come and go. The players will come and go, and Wake Forest will still be Wake Forest. It will all work itself out in the end one way or another, and I’m going to support us/write articles on here about us for as long as I possibly can. Go Deacs!

Wake Forest '12

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by RAJohnston on Feb 14, 2011 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

The only highlight

The only highlight I can think of for this game is that possibly, just possibly it wakes up Wellman and the folks on this blog who keep talking about how much improvement we’ve shown to the reality of the situation.

As much as I would not like to see anyone lose their job- I do hope beyond hope that maybe this was the game that sealed Jeff Bzdelik’s fate.

by Jeremy Bishop on Feb 14, 2011 8:49 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I'm going to say it again, I don't think it's going to.

Unless Wellman himself gets deposed which to be honest I think would be foolish considering everything he’s done with other sports, I think Bzdelik has at LEAST one more year. Wellman is too high on him.

It’s frustrating because I think losing Wellman would be rather foolish, but if Bzdelik gets another year and doesn’t look like a completely different coach, I’m pretty sure I’ll be tearing my hair out if Wellman doesn’t do something.

by SamuraiFoochs on Feb 14, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Just to raise another question

If Bzdelik did get fired, wouldn’t it hinder the progress that the current players are making? While consistent posters know I’m pro-Bzdelik, I would say I’m on the ‘one more year’ train. If there is another season like this, some changes have to be made. However, think about any of the current players that aren’t freshman. Having a coaching change after the season would result in the teams 3rd coach in 3 years, which I think impedes the development of the players. As jfizz pointed out, there is individual progress being made, and, hopefully, consistency will result to leaders stepping up a guiding the team forward. I think quite a few of the problems will be magnified if the 3 in 3 route is taken.

by MHayes on Feb 14, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

band aid theory.

I don’t see a huge amount of progress. I guess it goes back to the band-aid theory- is it less painful to rip the band-aid off quickly or to slowly remove it from your skin?

by Jeremy Bishop on Feb 14, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The question is...

does ripping off the band-aid do permanent damage and scarring? Or does it heal quickly? Do coaches get scared off by a team that ran off two coaches in two years? Or do they see the opportunity to rebuild a storied program that still has four 4* recruits and the caché of putting players in the NBA and providing a top-flight education?

Five-star hearts or not, regardless of whether or not the Deacs get a big man late in the 2011 class, it’s not unfathomable that Wake finishes last in the ACC again next season.

And this team will still lack depth next season, especially if Tabb + anyone else does not return.

Bah da da da da da da da, Go Deacs.

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by Martin Rickman on Feb 14, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

a really good question.

and one i have no answer for. damn liberal arts education fails me again. :)

by Jeremy Bishop on Feb 14, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeremy,

I still think that a lot of improvement as been made throughout the year. We are worlds better than we were against Stetson to open up the year. In my opinion, we just had so far to come from (because we were so bad from the start) that we can’t dig ourselves out of the hole in one season.

Yesterday was an embarrassing game, as well as effort on the entire team, but I do not think that it is representative of the entire year. It was a bad game and hopefully we get right back out there on Tuesday.

Wake Forest '12

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by RAJohnston on Feb 14, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

RA,

I just don’t see that improvement. We are still losing games by 20+ on a regular basis. Yesterday was an embarrassing game in a morass of embarrassing games.

I don’t think Bzdelik’s firing would make things better initially. Unfortunately, the path that Wellman has put the Deacs on will impact the program for years to go – without Bzdelik or with him.

I guess I would prefer we get rid of Bzdelik, hire a newer coach and make the investment in creating a program that will be one of those historic legacy programs we are all jealous of
15 years from now.

On another related subject- Has Gaudio said anything about his firing and the real reasons behind the scenes? I assumed that he had to sign some kind of non-disclosure agreement, but the cone of silence has been quite impressive, although frustrating.

by Jeremy Bishop on Feb 14, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the last paragraph.

That is why I believe the hiring went beyond on-the-court results (or post-season results). Ron Wellman and Dino Gaudio probably had some sort of agreement to not disclose what went on behind the scenes.

If we were to fire Coach Bzdelik at the end of the season, who do you think we would wind up with. How long would it take to make it better, and what steps do you think they would use to get there. These are the questions that I have if we were to even take a look at replacing Coach Bzdelik (which I do not believe will happen for at least 3 years).

Wake Forest '12

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by RAJohnston on Feb 14, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

all good questions...

I don’t know. I guess learn from our mistakes, right?

I’m hoping Wellman has at least learned that firing a fairly loved coach and expecting the fan base to just take it was a poor modus operandi.

I still think a lot of the anger about the current situation with Bzdelik could have been dealt with if Wellman had prepared the fan base to know a change was coming. I still remember a friend calling me and asking if I had heard Gaudio had been fired- I was convinced he had misheard.

I know that AD’s have to make difficult decisions- but the way this has been handled, imho, has been a trainwreck through and through. Expecting your fan base to just sit back and take it when you get rid of a fairly well liked coach, with a winning record, and then replace him with a personal friend and one with a record that is sub-stellar at best is expecting a lot.

Its sad to see all the NC State fans at LJVM – but really not all that surprising.

by Jeremy Bishop on Feb 14, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Also edited to say...

There has been a ton of individual improvement and that is showing in some games, and not showing in other games. Once that comes around and we grow as a team I think that we will see a lot more wins in the next couple of years.

Wake Forest '12

Mother So Dear

by RAJohnston on Feb 14, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

I 100% agree

With the individual improvement. I think there could be some superstars on this team.

However, your point assumes the current staff can help the players grow as a team. If you look at Buzz’ previous coaching stints, he got worse the 2nd year. At Colorado, his 3rd year was an improvement – and they are even better this year, but is that because of Buzz or in spite of?

I see the issue is if some players end up leaving the program, because the gain of the players he is recruiting does not appear as good as any player who we would lose. Buzz has had a tendency to pull a low recruit into a superstar (Jim Grobe-style) – but I can’t imagine he is going to consistently hit on those, especially when we only have 2-4 recruits a year.

There are plenty of coaches out there that would still be willing to take a shot with an ACC program – especially some of the guys from the mid-majors that are looking to up their pay grade and visibility – and seeing the success of some of the greats stepping up from mid-major, that may not be a bad idea.

Based on my knowledge of Wake, I have to agree with you that he gets at least 1 more year to make it work – they put a pretty big investment into him. I am still in the camp that we shouldn’t do it.

Let’s all just hope it gets better before it gets worse and i would love to eat my words if he turns the program around, I just don’t see it.

by DaDeacs on Feb 14, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with a lot of your points, but for the 3rd paragraph I disagree.

Some of our higher star recruits are playing like 1 and 2 stars. If they are going to play at that level, replacing them with 2-3 stars is an improvement in my mind because they will buy in to the team and also perform at a level that Coach Bzdelik wants them tho perform at.

There is a lot of maturing going on this year. I am not going to say that we will improve tremendously next year, but I think 5-6 ACC wins is certainly possible. NIT next year, NCAA the year after that.

We have a lot of the pieces in place. As Dan Collins has reported, a lot of these kids are hearing things for the first time. Some have never had to play defense, some have never been told “no” before. These things take time to adjust to and Wake Forest isn’t always the most comfortable place for athletes either (in terms of situations that they have been in before).

Wake Forest '12

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by RAJohnston on Feb 14, 2011 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

The points made in the final paragraph we mentioned in a meeting by Coach Bzdelik with a student group that I am a part of. He specifically cited the never hearing ‘no’ before. There’s always a big adjustment in jumping from High School to college basketball (especially to the level of the ACC), and there have been quite a few subtleties that may be overlooked.

by MHayes on Feb 14, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Question

This morning, I posted this comment which was almost immediately deleted, quoting two newspaper reviews (here & here) of the NC State game:

NC State, scoring the most points since defeating Wake 90-69 at the RBC Center in January, piled up the school’s third-largest margin in an ACC road game since the league opened for business. The other two blowouts on that list — 40 points at Clemson and 29 points at South Carolina — both occurred in the inaugural 1953-54 season, long before either school pretended to operate an authentic basketball program.

That got deleted, and Deac Dad’s post, which is essentially a lengthy verbally complicated attack, was praised. Why is this?

by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Feb 14, 2011 10:54 PM EST reply actions  

Here it is:
Agreed Screamin’

NC State not only scored the most points since defeating Wake Forest 90-69 at the RBC Center in January, the Wolfpack piled up the school’s third-largest margin in an ACC road game since the league opened for business. The other two blowouts on that list — 40 points at Clemson and 29 points at South Carolina — both occurred in the inaugural 1953-54 season, long before either school pretended to operate an authentic basketball program.

by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Feb 14, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions

Bah da da da da da da da, Go Deacs.

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by Martin Rickman on Feb 15, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

responses (in case you miss them on the other threads)

I wrote two, I’ll just post them verbatim for ease of reading:

“MRickman: At the end of the day, I truly feel like I am not being respected in the slightest by anyone right now. Now, tell me how THAT’S fair.”

I don’t understand what you’re getting at at all, except that I made an error re-reading the post-game analysis of the NC State game.

I was wrong on the deletion & overlooked it, but the rest of it holds true. Like DaDeacs said, there’s a reason people of our opinion are either warned or implicitly warned to "keep it civil," while Deac Dad’s post, which is literally a winding shift-F7 series of insults to ‘the other side,’ is praised.

Where have any of these legitimate questions about the preferential treatment (excluding the deleted comment, which I was incorrect on)

I’ll sum it up by saying that the ‘insults’ from people like myself, Screamin’, Jeremy Bishop, JFizzle86, & DaDeacs aren’t anywhere near what we are told. It seems to me that our "insults" essentially consist of posting widely accessible information, compiling it, & analyzing it, and letting our analysis speak for itself. We never call people on the other side repositories of swill or shallow-minded. I want to know how you feel you’re being unfairly treated as the head of this blog, when the perceived ‘insults’ are so ridiculously one-sided, with people like myself/Jeremy Bishop/JFizzle/DaDeacs simply writing our opinions and rarely even mentioning anyone on the other side by name, whereas people on SamuraiFoochs/DeacDad’s side are either calling us out by name, or not referring to us by name but using insults that don’t have any other point but to insult, e.g. shallow-minded distributors of swill. I don’t see how you could observe an absence of preferential treatment in this way.

Do you see what I mean? If you disagree please show me where we’ve acted so explicitly to dog the other side. In my mind, our "dogging" has consisted of putting together widely cited information and making observations from it, while their "dogging" has been to call us disloyal, anti-character, shallow-minded, swill distributors.

Thoughts?

The second one:

I don’t see how your removal of media privileges in another setting factors into your judgment of ad homs here. Like I posted above/asked you just now (above new response & open question), me overlooking one deleted comment doesn’t moot the open question of what seems like preferential treatment of people like JoshuaR (who got pissed at me when I wished everyone a good time(!) before the Miami game because I wasn’t participating in the in-game thread since it was mostly going to be the hard-core Bzz guys at the time) and Deac Dad, who essentially just said that anyone who posted relevant information as part of their response was doling out "rapacious swill," saying we were anti-character, that we hate Bzdelik personally/as a human being (by JoshuaR), and that we are so extreme that we can’t even be reasoned with. None of us, not myself, Screamin’, Jeremy Bishop, JFizzle, or DaDeacs have said anything bordering on that to any of those guys, in fact, at most you might at best be able to find one instance where any of us even personally referenced the other side by name. They refer to us either personally, or indirectly and drop stuff like that above, and we never have. I just don’t see how there’s no preferential treatment, and how this is somehow "different" from the message boards, when all we’re getting is insulted while we’re being totally civil.
Thoughts?

by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Feb 15, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

correction on 4th sentence on post-quote #1)

correction on 4th sentence on post #1) “Where have any of these legitimate questions about the preferential treatment (excluding the deleted comment, which I was incorrect on) risen to the level of uncivil and/or to the level of how people like us are addressed both personally at times, and indirectly insulted in a very direct fashion at times?”

by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Feb 15, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for your opinion.

It is duly noted.

Bah da da da da da da da, Go Deacs.

Blogger So Dear

by Martin Rickman on Feb 15, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

that's it?

It makes kind of a difference when in the last 24 hrs. there have been 3+ people saying what I posted above. Are you saying you see what I mean and agree (to some, any extent), or that you have heard me and it doesn’t really matter or still disagree and this is just a way to shrug off this complaint?

by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Feb 16, 2011 3:08 AM EST up reply actions  

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