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Mid Major Roundup 2/9

So another week has gone by and we're getting closer and closer to Tournament time.  First, lets look at what last week's teams did:

Cleveland State:  They won two big road games within the Horizon League...knocking off #152 Illinois-Chicago and #229 Loyola Chicago.  Knocking off Loyola isn't much to speak of, but a win at UIC is a good step for this team considering they lost their last three road games at #75 Wisc-Green Bay, #151 Wisc-Milwaukee, and #217 Youngstown St.  Apparently south of Racine, WI they win on the road, but north of Racine they don't.  Despite those wins they have dropped from 58th in the Pomeroy to 61.  All this said, 86th in RPI means that a Horizon tourney win might be the only way in for them. 

VCU: So what does a loss to my alma mater do for your Pomeroy rating?  It drops you from #59 to #72.  UNCW is #300.  That makes me sad to write, but we are.  That said, unlike Cleveland State, I'm not dropping VCU from my watch, mainly because of Eric Maynor.  He's that good.  Also, Anthony Grant is a superb coach.  Continue to keep an eye on the Rams; at #73 in the RPI, there is no reason they can't win out and end up in the 40-50 range.

North Dakota State:  They came in last week at #67 in the Pomeroy, and now rank at #58, meaning they are the movers and shakers of this week.  They won two road games at #287 Western Illinois and #166 IUPUI.  That said, they are only #95 in RPI, so they might need to come off this list.  You will see them in the tourney though, but only as an auto-bid.

 

This week's 3 teams after the jump.

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1) Siena

Oh Siena, how we love you.  Siena was everyone's darlings this preseason, and areSiena_medium coming around again.  They come in at #77 in the Pomeroy ratings and, check this, #27 in the RPI.  They have not lost a home game, and have lost neutral court games to #41 Tennessee, #155 Wichita State, and #46 OK State in the Old Spice Classic.  They also lost on the road to #4 Pitt, #13 Kansas, and #173 Rider (minus current King Jason Thompson).  That loss to Rider just occurred in their last  game and is a tough one, but they have a good profile with four top 100 wins (#100 Cornell, #92 Buffalo, at #90 St. Joe's, and #80 Niagara).  That said, when your best win is at St. Joe's, its tough to call yourself tournament-legit...but with their success last year, and a pretty good profile this year, I'd put them in. 

2) George Mason

I apologize about doubling up on the CAA again this week, but Mason has put the profile together.  They come in at #70 in the Pomeroy ratings and #57 in the RPI, and unlike conference rival VCU, they have NOT lost to UNCW this year.  But here isGeorgemason_medium a problem, they have only knocked off one top 100 team, and that was the first game of the year, at #86 Vermont.  When your best win is against an America East team...you're in trouble.  That, and they have glaring losses at #275 Hampton and #163 Liberty early in the year, coupled with losses at #81 Dayton, at #88 Northeastern, at #120 Old Dominion, and at #137 James Madison.  Again, no home losses is very good, and the CAA is a competitive league, moreso than people think, but this profile is just not good enough.  Also, look at their roster: Cam Long is alright, and Darryl Monroe is solid down low, but these are their two best players, and Long is a sophomore and Monroe didn't play last year.  Based on all this, I keep them out. 

3) Creighton

Here we are again, discussing whether or not Creighton is a tournament team. Creighton_medium As of right now they look pretty good.  They come in at #66 in the Pomeroy ratings and #60 in the RPI.  All of this in the MVC, which we all know is a hotbed for decent to good tournament teams (Southern Illinois, Wichita State, etc.).  Unlike the other teams we've talked about, The Jays HAVE lost at home this year, losing to #95 UNI and #134 Drake.  They have also lost at #159 Ark-Little Rock, at #59 Nebraska, at #87 Illinois State, and at #155 Wichita State.  That said, they have five top 100 wins, the most of any teams discussed thus far, and they have a top 50 win, beating #38 New Mexico.  The also won at #90 St. Joe's, beat #81 Dayton, beat #82 Oral Roberts, and just won at #95 UNI.  Also, "Sarah" P'Allen Stinnett is one of the better mid-major guys in the nation.  Right now they are close, but they're Creighton, and I think they are in, probably on the auto-bid though.


 


 


 

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UWGB

When are you going to show some love for the UWGB Phoenix. They are ranked #4 in the Collegeinsider.com mid-major top 25. You all at BSD should have collegeinsider.com as a link on the left side, outstanding site primarily devoted to Mid-Majors. UWGB will be playing Long Beach State as a bracket buster TV game. LBS is coached by Dan Monson. Who was brilliant young coach at Gonzaga and then not so good at Minnesota after the issues. He is now doing a good job rebuilding LBS, which is notable for 1st round NBA choice Cliff Poindexter of the Chicago Bulls in the late 1970s — billed as the next Scott May (which ended up being true as Scottie was injured and unable to be effective and Cliff was just ineffective), Craig Hodges and Lucius Harris.

by askmikeandscott on Feb 10, 2009 9:47 PM EST reply actions  

The Phoenix

Its funny you should mention them. When I was discussing this week’s teams they came up, and they have a great squad. That said, two of the three teams here have a higher RPI (Mason and Siena) and two of the three teams have a higher Pomeroy rating (Mason and Creighton). However, the main reason I didn’t mention them this week is because I discussed Cleveland St. last week (mainly because they have the best win of any of these teams in Syracuse) and I didn’t want to double up Horizon two weeks in a row, which I did do with the CAA, but Mason trumped UW-G.B. in both rating systems…and I went to a CAA school and have much experience with Mason. Also, the Horizon boasts 4 teams that could be mentioned here, possibly even 5 (G.B., Butler, Cleveland St., U.W.-Milwaukee, and Wright State). However, The Phoenix will most likely be one of my three next week, along with Illinois State and Western Kentucky…unless something drastic happens or I change my mind.

by SHammonds on Feb 10, 2009 10:44 PM EST reply actions  

Syracuse

Hate to break the news to you Sammy but a win over the ‘cuse of the Big Least by CSU isn’t looking as good. If you are talking about mid-majors who might make the tourney and make some noise, Without winning the tourney, UWM and WSU will likely not sniff the tourney this year despite any residual feelings you may have for Brownell. RPIs are also a meaningless statistic when they are so weighted by scheduling easy and then playing in a big conference. UWGB is 11-2 in 2009. Time for you to get off the beach and check out what’s going on around the country north and west of Charlotte.

by askmikeandscott on Feb 11, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

CSU

Almost immediately CSU proves why they were mentioned here over UW-GB. At 19-8, they are now 60th in the pomeroy ratings (UW-GB is 82…just one spot above Wright State). Also, like it or not, the win over Syracuse is more impressive than any of UW-GB’s wins…yes, including Butler…who just gave L-IL their 13th win of the year. Syracuse is higher than Butler in the pomeroy ratings and the RPI, and CSU won at Syracuse while UW-GB beat Butler at home. At this point, CSU has the stronger tournament profile. I understand the knock on the RPI, it is a little outdated, but it is still used by the selection committee so it is important to mention in some regards…but I didn’t do it in my first post because I feel the pomeroy rating is a lot more telling. Last week I pulled CSU from my watch, but if they win out (last game is in Hinkle) and have a good Horizon tourney showing…they could get in.

by SHammonds on Feb 16, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

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